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	<title>Comments on: bye bye Sun? (go on, prove me wrong)</title>
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	<description>well, everyone told me I ought to have one</description>
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		<title>By: dmc</title>
		<link>http://bogit.com/wp/2007/04/21/bye-bye-sun-go-on-prove-me-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-3618</link>
		<dc:creator>dmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Storing email offsite - no no
Storing email in US - no no no
Also, I&#039;m not looking to outsource myself - there is some level of self preservation required :)

We have looked at google, they don&#039;t have a UK solution (yet). Also, the whole outlook thing is still a problem with that route. 

http://www.zimbra.com/ does look impressive though - would be interesting to see how well that actually works (although even though it is open source, if we want support it is actually *more* expensive that MS :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Storing email offsite &#8211; no no<br />
Storing email in US &#8211; no no no<br />
Also, I&#8217;m not looking to outsource myself &#8211; there is some level of self preservation required <img src='http://bogit.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We have looked at google, they don&#8217;t have a UK solution (yet). Also, the whole outlook thing is still a problem with that route. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.zimbra.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zimbra.com/</a> does look impressive though &#8211; would be interesting to see how well that actually works (although even though it is open source, if we want support it is actually *more* expensive that MS <img src='http://bogit.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Moof</title>
		<link>http://bogit.com/wp/2007/04/21/bye-bye-sun-go-on-prove-me-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-3617</link>
		<dc:creator>Moof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could always go for another company that actually ignores its users just as much as sun and microsoft do, but actually produces good software which discourages bloaty email and stuff of that ilk, namely google.

Surely a university running on gmail and google calendar and google talk can&#039;t be any worse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could always go for another company that actually ignores its users just as much as sun and microsoft do, but actually produces good software which discourages bloaty email and stuff of that ilk, namely google.</p>
<p>Surely a university running on gmail and google calendar and google talk can&#8217;t be any worse?</p>
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		<title>By: dmc</title>
		<link>http://bogit.com/wp/2007/04/21/bye-bye-sun-go-on-prove-me-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-3595</link>
		<dc:creator>dmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notes? Shudder. If we have to move I guess I&#039;d rather go with Exchange and be frustrated along with the rest of the world instead of frustrated on my own :)

As for why no one makes something that doesn&#039;t suck (I assume you meant doesn&#039;t ) - I guess microsoft have it sown up. Outlook is *the* standard client that people want. I admit, it&#039;s not that bad as a calendar client (blows as an email client though). Given the installed base of Outlook and Exchange it&#039;s hard for anyone else to get a foothold.

Sun have left it too late IMO to take on Exchange - it looked promising for a while but they appear to have blown it now ;-(

Oh well, maybe time to move on. Anyone got a vacancy for a Solaris admin in the South East (well, except for *that* place....although, given staff changes over Sandwich way mebbe it&#039;s not such a bad idea *hunts through old emails*....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notes? Shudder. If we have to move I guess I&#8217;d rather go with Exchange and be frustrated along with the rest of the world instead of frustrated on my own <img src='http://bogit.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for why no one makes something that doesn&#8217;t suck (I assume you meant doesn&#8217;t ) &#8211; I guess microsoft have it sown up. Outlook is *the* standard client that people want. I admit, it&#8217;s not that bad as a calendar client (blows as an email client though). Given the installed base of Outlook and Exchange it&#8217;s hard for anyone else to get a foothold.</p>
<p>Sun have left it too late IMO to take on Exchange &#8211; it looked promising for a while but they appear to have blown it now ;-(</p>
<p>Oh well, maybe time to move on. Anyone got a vacancy for a Solaris admin in the South East (well, except for *that* place&#8230;.although, given staff changes over Sandwich way mebbe it&#8217;s not such a bad idea *hunts through old emails*&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Keene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Keene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s always lotus notes or groupwise *ducks* :)

(why can&#039;t someone produce some work group / mail / calendar software which does suck)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s always lotus notes or groupwise *ducks* <img src='http://bogit.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(why can&#8217;t someone produce some work group / mail / calendar software which does suck)</p>
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		<title>By: pao</title>
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		<dc:creator>pao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still at least when Exchange is in place I can spend my staff development fund on a Blackberry and know it will work.

:-)

Shame the Sun software sucks big time though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still at least when Exchange is in place I can spend my staff development fund on a Blackberry and know it will work.</p>
<p> <img src='http://bogit.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Shame the Sun software sucks big time though.</p>
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